The federal government has agreed to have an unbiased IT skilled overview of a Submit Workplace software program system predating Horizon, amid claims dozens extra sub-postmasters might have been wrongly convicted.

The Seize software program was rolled out throughout branches within the Nineteen Nineties, years earlier than the infamous Horizon system was launched.

Submit Workplace minister Kevin Hollinrake has met with a former sub-postmaster and a lawyer representing 35 individuals who consider they have been wrongly accused of stealing.

It was agreed between MPs and the Submit Workplace minister that an unbiased IT skilled would assess proof claiming to “show” Seize software program was vulnerable to glitches.

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Steve Marston, 68, believes he was wrongly convicted of theft and false accounting after errors attributable to Seize accounting software program.

Auditors discovered shortfalls of £79,000 at his department in Better Manchester in 1998. He subsequently pleaded responsible to theft and false accounting.

A predecessor to Horizon, the Seize software program was developed by the Submit Workplace and rolled out from 1992.

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‘Extraordinarily joyful’

Mr Marston, representing quite a few others claiming to be victims, met with Submit Workplace Minister Kevin Hollinrake in Central London.

Speaking to Sky News's Politics Hub with Sophy Ridge, postal services minister Kevin Hollinrake said the government did "not want to interfere with the court and the judicial process".
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Postal companies minister Kevin Hollinrake

He tearfully advised Sky Information after the assembly that he was “overwhelmed” and “extraordinarily joyful” with the way in which the assembly went.

He introduced a replica of the unique Seize software program, additionally proven to Sky Information, which Mr Marston describes as “definitive proof” of wrongful convictions.

Campaigners found floppy disks with the software program on them, relationship again to the 90s.

Mr Marston says they present that errors within the system might generate false shortfalls in accounts, and believes Seize proof was utilized in his prosecution.

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Steve Marston

A ‘vital assembly’

Neil Hudgell, who’s representing 35 former sub-postmasters who used Seize, mentioned it was a “vital assembly” with the Submit Workplace minister.

“What we’re going to do now, with the consent of the federal government and settlement of the Division for Enterprise and Commerce,” he mentioned, “is run that previous an unbiased particular person to face up what we are saying is the case.

“It’s a very related sample of IT glitches that predate the Horizon system by quite a few years.”

Former sub-postmasters say that it seems errors occurred when upgrades have been made to the software program within the 90s.

Different components reminiscent of energy cuts are additionally regarded as one other potential motive for faults.

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‘I used to be compelled to promote my household house’

Steve Lewis misplaced his job in 2000, after elevating issues about shortfalls and Seize software program glitches.

“I’ve all the time been regarded on as being the person who robbed the put up workplace,” he mentioned. “I misplaced my put up workplace, the business buildings that I had moved my workplace to, and was compelled to promote my household house.”

Mr Lewis claims he was warned “to not be a troublemaker” and advised the problems have been solely taking place to him.

It wasn’t till he watched the ITV drama Mr Bates Vs The Submit Workplace that he “realised” similarities between Horizon victims and himself reminiscent of “unexplained losses”.

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Alan Bates (centre) speaking outside the High Court in 2019 and Toby Jones as Alan Bates in the ITV series Mr Bates
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Alan Bates (centre) talking exterior the Excessive Court docket in 2019 and Toby Jones as Alan Bates within the ITV collection

‘Mirror picture of what Submit Workplace did with Horizon’

Paperwork seen by Sky Information additionally present that the Submit Workplace knew Seize was vulnerable to glitches which might trigger accounting points.

In January the federal government ordered the Submit Workplace to research the claims associated to Seize.

Labour MP Kevan Jones has taken up the trigger and describes one case as being “a mirror picture” of what “the Submit Workplace did with Horizon victims”.

He continued: “Added to that, we have now bought the unique laptop floppy disks the place I feel it proves that it does throw up shortfalls.

“I feel that is fairly a compelling case for these circumstances to be checked out once more and compensation awarded.”

‘We proceed to research’

A Submit Workplace spokesperson mentioned: “We’re in touch with Steve Marston and different previous customers of Seize and are grateful to them for all the knowledge they’ve to this point shared with us.

“We proceed to actively examine quite a few strains of inquiry referring to Seize and all through this we now have recurrently saved the Division for Enterprise and Commerce and Kevan Jones MP updated with our findings.

“Now we have now shared a advice with the Division about what ought to occur subsequent and hope to supply additional info with previous customers of Seize as quickly as we’re in a position to.”

A Division for Enterprise and Commerce spokesperson mentioned: “As quickly as these accusations got here to mild, we requested the Submit Workplace to research the Seize system.

“We are actually reviewing all of the supplies supplied to us, together with these from postmasters and Submit Workplace, and we are going to set out subsequent steps shortly.”

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